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							<div class="signature" id="msg_31578_signature">cxcxxxxx - Today at 2:42 PM<br />no<br />im your cuck<br /><br />"Creating multies is using the game's mechanics too."<br /><br />-Brian<br /><br /><img src="http://i.imgur.com/fkVR203.png" alt="" width="788" height="200" class="bbc_img resized" /></div>
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								<div class="inner" id="msg_31582">I literally hunt for subsistence. There is a rabbit warren 50 ft away from my house. I have been eating rabbit confit and roast quail for the last 3 weeks. So:<br /><br />Lives in a barren wasteland and hunts to survive - <span style="color: green;" class="bbc_color">Check</span><br />uncontrollable predatory instincts - <span style="color: green;" class="bbc_color">Check</span><br />giant fangs - <span style="color: green;" class="bbc_color">Check</span><br />wow - <span style="color: green;" class="bbc_color">Check</span><br />flinches at sudden movements - <span style="color: green;" class="bbc_color">Check</span></div>
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lunin on October 26, 2015, 11:00:07 AM ---In the hypothetical and imaginary world I just made up that doesn't follow the basics of supply and demand, veganism wouldn't work.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />It's a good thing that instant mass veganism is an absurd and unlikely scenario then, huh?<br /><br />http://lmgtfy.com/?q=supply+and+demand<br />
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 26, 2015, 11:05:06 AM ---I only kill ppl I know, it's not a problem because most ppl aren't serial killers<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br /><br />sure thing, hon<br /><br />and I didn't say it wouldn't work. I'm only saying veganism as a moral principle is ridiculous, if not for anything else, but for the fact that animals kills each other instinctively and prey on each other or compete for food and natural habitats. <br /><br />A Vegan is kind to animals the way Hitler wanted to help the jews. One thing for sure, it solves all problems involving them permanently.
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lunin on October 26, 2015, 11:17:51 AM ---<br />sure thing, hon<br /><br />and I didn't say it wouldn't work. I'm only saying veganism as a moral principle is ridiculous, if not for anything else, but for the fact that animals kills each other instinctively and prey on each other or compete for food and natural habitats. <br /><br />A Vegan is kind to animals the way Hitler wanted to help the jews. One thing for sure, it solves all problems involving them permanently.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />You're using an appeal to nature fallacy, you can do better.<br /><br />It's entirely consisted with morals that people already believe in but don't apply for the sake of convenience. (Do not kill, do not cause unecessary pain and suffering etc etc)<br /><br />We can hold ourselves to a much higher standard than the rest of the animal kingdom and we do so on a regular basis. We have the ability to think and reason. We don't need to compare ourselves to lions or bears. Your comparisons are completely arbitrary and made at your leisure.<br /><br />We don't rape our own family members, or cannibalize each-other like other animals do. To appeal to nature is absurd and an extremely weak argument. <br /><br />
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lunin on October 26, 2015, 11:00:07 AM ---Let's the suffering and liberate the people. Let's nuke everything to glass.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />If you really want to eradicate their suffering, you should wholeheartedly dedicate your life to working solely for their benefit.<br /><br />
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 26, 2015, 11:25:09 AM ---You're using an appeal to nature fallacy, you can do better.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />>You're using an appeal to emotions fallacy, you can do better.<br /><br />
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			<br />--- Quote from: Memesquid:Martial Prowess on October 26, 2015, 11:38:23 AM --->You're using an appeal to emotions fallacy, you can do better.<br /><br /><br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />You're mistaken.<br /><br /> My point is that nature is not a justification to hurt animals. This is not an appeal to emotion.<br /><br />An appeal to emotion would be "think about the animals though! How do they feel?"<br />
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			<strong>Lunin</strong>:
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 26, 2015, 11:25:09 AM ---You're using an appeal to nature fallacy, you can do better.<br /><br />It's entirely consisted with morals that people already believe in but don't apply for the sake of convenience. (Do not kill, do not cause unecessary pain and suffering etc etc)<br /><br />We can hold ourselves to a much higher standard than the rest of the animal kingdom and we do so on a regular basis. We have the ability to think and reason. We don't need to compare ourselves to lions or bears. Your comparisons are completely arbitrary and made at your leisure.<br /><br />We don't rape our own family members, or cannibalize each-other like other animals do. To appeal to nature is absurd and an extremely weak argument. <br /><br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />What do you apply to? Muh feelz? <br /><br />Sorry, I don't share those feels, I don't feel regret for killing a mouse or eating beef. <br /><br />There's a reason why people don't harm each other. The reason is that other people have the ability to harm us. It might be a good idea to execute your neighbor for banging your wife. It'd feel liberating, natural and you'd like it. His sons wouldn't and he'd kill you in return. <br /><br />Strife can lead to war and general suffering so people invented laws. These laws sort of, kind of root in basic human nature so it's not a fallacy to appeal to nature, when you examine human nature, the foundation of human morality. Some people feel bad for animals, because they live such sheltered lives that they never had to harm another being to receive something fundamental in life, like living space or nourishment. But it's in human nature to kill inferior beings and consume them, and if you say otherwise you'll still have to appeal to nature, or at least reality unless you think there's an absolute metaphysical morality.<br /><br />But I didn't even appeal to human nature. Or nature at all. Even by metaphysically constructed transcendental morality, banning the killing of animals is insincere, unless you can police the entirety of Nature. If you can ensure that no hamster can suffer, they won't drown in floods, won't get eaten by foxes, hawks and owls, won't overpopulate their environment and harm each other or starve you aren't helping hamsters. <br /><br />Veganism and "humane", better "feel-good moral" treatment of animals is two very different things. You can have cows leading good lives, graze grass and when their time comes they are killed and eaten by humans they love. Those humans will take care of them, extend their lives, protect them from predators, take care of their health... etc. Ofc it's not the current industrial state agriculture, but as veganism is an unrealistic and dysfunctional model as you claimed, this can be one too. It's like an utopia for animals. Humans don't live in utopistic societies, so it's understandable that our living possessions have to share an imperfect world with us, but the Magnum Opus of transcendental humanism doesn't have to be absolutely non-violent to allow people to feel good about themselves.<br /><br />You can abort fetuses, euthanize the elderly and the dysfunctional, eat animals and still reduce the suffering in life. Humans and animals will die no matter what, they will suffer no matter what. The mundane world is built for crushing the soul into sinful matter and only death can bring salvation from that.<br />
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			<strong>Lunin</strong>:
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 26, 2015, 11:42:40 AM ---You're mistaken.<br /><br /> My point is that nature is not a justification to hurt animals. This is not an appeal to emotion.<br /><br />An appeal to emotion would be "think about the animals though! How do they feel?"<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />If you don't care about how animals feel, then what's the point. Non-violence and social order in human civilization can be backed by game theory and models for cooperation of more or less equal agents. You don't hurt me, I won't hurt you and we can work together.<br /><br />Animals fit nowhere in this model, they are inferior. If you don't consider their feelings or you feelings there's no practically moral reason not to use them and kill them any way possible.
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 26, 2015, 11:42:40 AM ---You're mistaken.<br /><br /> My point is that nature is not a justification to hurt animals. This is not an appeal to emotion.<br /><br />An appeal to emotion would be "think about the animals though! How do they feel?"<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />You misunderstood me. Veganism and Vegetarianism are both just giant appeals to emotion. The universe is just an exercise in energy transference, we sustain ourselves by consuming others literally and figuratively. Trying to ascribe a morality to the situation is just posturing and serves no actual purpose. To quote Zizek:<br /><br />“What about animals slaughtered for our consumption? who among us would be able to continue eating pork chops after visiting a factory farm in which pigs are half-blind and cannot even properly walk, but are just fattened to be killed? And what about, say, torture and suffering of millions we know about, but choose to ignore? Imagine the effect of having to watch a snuff movie portraying what goes on thousands of times a day around the world: brutal acts of torture, the picking out of eyes, the crushing of testicles -the list cannot bear recounting. Would the watcher be able to continue going on as usual? Yes, but only if he or she were able somehow to forget -in an act which suspended symbolic efficiency -what had been witnessed. This forgetting entails a gesture of what is called fetishist disavowal: "I know it, but I don't want to know that I know, so I don't know." I know it, but I refuse to fully assume the consequences of this knowledge, so that I can continue acting as if I don't know it.” <br /><br />You are just as guilty of the "fetishist disavowal". Your entire claim is based on the sentience of the animal and the suffering imposed upon it by the evil humans. Yet you have continuously ignored the other posters when ever you bring this up, about the "feeling" ability of plants and the insane destruction of animal life that occurs in farming. Your entire perspective is just one big attempt to divorce yourself from the lived reality while at the same time trying desperately to cling onto some form of moral high ground. You care not for the suffering of plants and the suffering of the animals that are caught up in the harvesting machines or are driven from their natural habitat so hipsters can have their kale. The example the quinoa fad set is the only precedent you need to understand what I am getting at. Vegheads and hipsters caused untold HUMAN suffering by gobbling up too much quinoa, which is a staple food in South America, that led to a massive price spike that caused hundreds of thousands to starve. <br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa<br /><br />This kind of paint by the numbers activism does far more harm than good.
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lunin on October 26, 2015, 12:53:40 PM ---What do you apply to? Muh feelz? <br /><br />Sorry, I don't share those feels, I don't feel regret for killing a mouse or eating beef. <br /><br />There's a reason why people don't harm each other. The reason is that other people have the ability to harm us. It might be a good idea to execute your neighbor for banging your wife. It'd feel liberating, natural and you'd like it. His sons wouldn't and he'd kill you in return. <br /><br />Strife can lead to war and general suffering so people invented laws. These laws sort of, kind of root in basic human nature so it's not a fallacy to appeal to nature, when you examine human nature, the foundation of human morality. Some people feel bad for animals, because they live such sheltered lives that they never had to harm another being to receive something fundamental in life, like living space or nourishment. But it's in human nature to kill inferior beings and consume them, and if you say otherwise you'll still have to appeal to nature, or at least reality unless you think there's an absolute metaphysical morality.<br /><br />But I didn't even appeal to human nature. Or nature at all. Even by metaphysically constructed transcendental morality, banning the killing of animals is insincere, unless you can police the entirety of Nature. If you can ensure that no hamster can suffer, they won't drown in floods, won't get eaten by foxes, hawks and owls, won't overpopulate their environment and harm each other or starve you aren't helping hamsters. <br /><br />Veganism and "humane", better "feel-good moral" treatment of animals is two very different things. You can have cows leading good lives, graze grass and when their time comes they are killed and eaten by humans they love. Those humans will take care of them, extend their lives, protect them from predators, take care of their health... etc. Ofc it's not the current industrial state agriculture, but as veganism is an unrealistic and dysfunctional model as you claimed, this can be one too. It's like an utopia for animals. Humans don't live in utopistic societies, so it's understandable that our living possessions have to share an imperfect world with us, but the Magnum Opus of transcendental humanism doesn't have to be absolutely non-violent to allow people to feel good about themselves.<br /><br />You can abort fetuses, euthanize the elderly and the dysfunctional, eat animals and still reduce the suffering in life. Humans and animals will die no matter what, they will suffer no matter what. The mundane world is built for crushing the soul into sinful matter and only death can bring salvation from that.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />Holy mental gymnastics. Have you ever considered that you might think humans are the superior life form, well, because you're a fucking human? Have you ever considered that maybe, a cow's suffering does matter to that cow? And that you don't have a divine right to decide for another sentient being what pain and suffering does and doesn't matter?<br /><br />It's rich for you to pull this "suffering doesn't matter, everything is as it is" when you are the one separated from and perpetuating this suffering. <br /><br />You're still appealing to nature, but now you're doubling down and using other fallacies. Now you're pulling a "can't save em all." No, you really can't prevent all suffering, but that doesn't give you a license to go around perpetuating suffering and harm like "welp, can't stop it all." or "welp, the ship's sinking and I can't save everyone, so fuck it, everyone dies."<br /><br />And no one is saying you have to police nature. Animals will be animals, but you're not a bear or a lion. You are concious of what you're doing and trying your absolute hardest with your mental gymnastics to distance yurself from the consequences of your actions. Here are the irrefutable facts:<br /><br />1: Animals are sentient being just like you and I. They can feel, percieve and understand.<br /><br />2: Animal agriculture systematically abuses and harms these animals and it's entirely unnecessary as humans do not need a single animal product to survive<br /><br />3: If you fund animal agriculture, you are perpetuating this abuse or suffering.<br /><br />It's that simple.<br /><br />You can pull all the mental gymnastics you want like "oh it's ok I wouldn't mind having my throat slit. Oh it's ok to stab a cow in the next if you loved it first. Oh I'm protecting them from predators, my ancestors did this" but in the end, you know what you're doing and you know it's wrong, but you know you enjoy it and are unwilling to stop.<br /><br />Stop the mental gymnastics and leave the cognitive dissonance behind. You don't need it, you don't need any of it. You know that you wouldn't appreciate having your throat slit "humanely," you know you wouldn't enjoy being forcibly impregnated and having your children taken from you, you know you wouldn't enjoy having your throat slit.<br /><br />Just stop it, and admit "I just like how it tastes and don't really care about animal welfare."
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			<strong>Lunin</strong>:
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 26, 2015, 01:26:45 PM ---Holy mental gymnastics. Have you ever considered that you might think humans are the superior life form, well, because you're a fucking human? Have you ever considered that maybe, a cow's suffering does matter to that cow? And that you don't have a divine right to decide for another sentient being what pain and suffering does and doesn't matter?<br /><br />It's rich for you to pull this "suffering doesn't matter, everything is as it is" when you are the one separated from and perpetuating this suffering. <br /><br />You're still appealing to nature, but now you're doubling down and using other fallacies. Now you're pulling a "can't save em all." No, you really can't prevent all suffering, but that doesn't give you a license to go around perpetuating suffering and harm like "welp, can't stop it all." or "welp, the ship's sinking and I can't save everyone, so fuck it, everyone dies."<br /><br />And no one is saying you have to police nature. Animals will be animals, but you're not a bear or a lion. You are concious of what you're doing and trying your absolute hardest with your mental gymnastics to distance yurself from the consequences of your actions. Here are the irrefutable facts:<br /><br />1: Animals are sentient being just like you and I. They can feel, percieve and understand.<br /><br />2: Animal agriculture systematically abuses and harms these animals and it's entirely unnecessary as humans do not need a single animal product to survive<br /><br />3: If you fund animal agriculture, you are perpetuating this abuse or suffering.<br /><br />It's that simple.<br /><br />You can pull all the mental gymnastics you want like "oh it's ok I wouldn't mind having my throat slit. Oh it's ok to stab a cow in the next if you loved it first. Oh I'm protecting them from predators, my ancestors did this" but in the end, you know what you're doing and you know it's wrong, but you know you enjoy it and are unwilling to stop.<br /><br />Stop the mental gymnastics and leave the cognitive dissonance behind. You don't need it, you don't need any of it. You know that you wouldn't appreciate having your throat slit "humanely," you know you wouldn't enjoy being forcibly impregnated and having your children taken from you, you know you wouldn't enjoy having your throat slit.<br /><br />Just stop it, and admit "I just like how it tastes and don't really care about animal welfare."<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />1. First of all, it's evident that humans are superior or we wouldn't have this conversation. Cows don't have moral qualms about killing humans, because they're not in the position to even contemplate abstract ideas like this, but also because they are naturally inferior and only fit to serve humans, they can't rule over humans, they can't keep humans, domesticate humans.<br /><br />They don't feel or think like humans. They do have emotions. They also have the mindset and cognitive capabilities of a cow. They will never invent a gun or live in an organized society.<br /><br />2. You might call it abuse, but you're like a child who personificates animals. Animals don't comprehend the world the way humans do, so naturally they don't feel and perceive the way we do.<br /><br />Animals can be pets and catered to, they can be domesticated animals or they can in the natural world.<br /><br />What I said is domesticated animals wouldn't exist without humanity. They wouldn't be alive. They are our allies, our possessions, our slaves. They exist to serve us. Without us, they have no meaning and they will cease to exist. They can have horrible lives full of suffering and darkness, or they can lead comfortable lives compared to the way their undomesticated counterparts have to constantly struggle to be alive. Domesticated farm animals in good hands don't have to struggle, their fates are controlled by superior beings. <br /><br />But one thing is for sure. They depend on these beings. Without them, they are dead. You can claim that vegans are for Nature as a whole, but they are certainly not for these domesticated animals. Because they need to be farmed, they need to rely on human care. <br /><br />People can care about animals welfare and advocate for killing them at the same time. Because welfare means different things to different beings. Some people have metaphysical claims about how humans are in some sense equal. But only members of fringe groups claim that all beings are equal on this transcendental plane.<br /><br />But that doesn't really matter, because none of this translates to the real, physical world. Just because you're a sentient being that doesn't mean that you adhere to a supernatural morality. Some people feel the need for such a thing, others don't. Most people would only grant "rights" to animals, if they are quite filled in their Maslow pyramids. They have plenty of food from other sources and they don't REALLY need to kill these animals. They live nice sheltered lives. Then maybe animals don't have to suffer, because that makes them uncomfortable. <br /><br />This is the origin of animal rights. They are not holy, not inalienable. But if certain animals would be "freed" from human "exploitation", they would be simply dead. They wouldn't exist, because they aren't part of a self-balancing dynamic ecosystem. They are farm animals, bred to be slaves and nothing else.<br /><br />Your egalitarian morality simply invalidates their existence. 
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			<strong>Literal Cancer</strong>:
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			What even is this I don't believe this at all<br /><br />I believe if we weren't meant to be omnivores, we wouldn't be able to digest meat and wouldn't have canine teeth
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			<strong>OurTown</strong>:
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			Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.<br />
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			<strong>alysdexia</strong>:
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			I only eat the species I hate.
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			<strong>alysdexia</strong>:
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			<br />--- Quote from: S37H on October 26, 2015, 08:47:40 AM ---http://www.theholykale.com/plant-based-protein-chart/?printthis=1&printsect=1<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />A somewhat-deceptive list: The other foods are cooked but the egg is not.  Besides, everyone needs more than protein: retinol, carnitine, saturated fat, cobalamin, sphingomyelin.  The plant counterparts aren't identical or even existent.  (Beta carotene for exemplum isn't a vitamin and can't be digested by some kids.)
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			You still haven't refuted my point that there is such a thing as "unnecessary suffering".
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			<br />--- Quote from: Button Lee on October 27, 2015, 11:05:04 AM ---Do you ever just post memes like a regular autist?<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />Why do you think my avatar is blank?  I'm the opposite of both autistic and neýrotýpic.
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			<br />--- Quote from: alysdexia on October 27, 2015, 12:24:24 PM ---Why do you think my avatar is blank?  I'm the opposite of both autistic and neýrotýpic.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />Don't sell yourself short. You're a top tier autist.
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 27, 2015, 12:26:08 PM ---Don't sell yourself short. You're a top tier autist.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />You're a top-tier liar.
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			<br />--- Quote from: alysdexia on October 27, 2015, 12:27:56 PM ---You're a top-tier liar.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />alysdexia thinks I'm a liar. My life is literally over.
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		<p class="catbg">Basically half this forum talking to me</p>
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			<strong>alysdexia</strong>:
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 27, 2015, 12:29:02 PM ---alysdexia thinks I'm a liar. My life is literally over.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />I already had this talk on your fake accusation and another on veganism.
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			<br />--- Quote from: alysdexia on October 27, 2015, 12:30:21 PM ---I already had this talk on your fake accusation and another on veganism.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />what fake accusation?
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 27, 2015, 12:31:44 PM ---what fake accusation?<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />of my autism.
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			<br />--- Quote from: alysdexia on October 27, 2015, 12:36:42 PM ---of my autism.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />My god alysdexia, I love you but you take everything far too seriously. It's a joke, no one here thinks you actually have autism.
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			<br />--- Quote from: SiameseVegan on October 27, 2015, 12:37:50 PM ---My god alysdexia, I love you but you take everything far too seriously. It's a joke, no one here thinks you actually have autism.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />Jokes don't come with qualifiers like a half-arsed diagnosis.
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			<strong>alysdexia</strong>:
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			<br />--- Quote from: newkerala on October 27, 2015, 12:51:14 PM ---No need to (I assume that you're joking, but...)- average IQ has been increasing across pretty much the entire socioeconomic spectrum:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />Assume I already know about the Flynn effect, as well as its short dip after the web was invented.  (What are books?)<br /><br />The average talk show host, communications major, and English major still make retarded dictive and rative mistakes; the average anyone makes worse.  So until they are self-aware and care less about everyone's happiness or manners they only spread the problem.<br /><br />I left this on a few Anonymous YouTube videos of their Million Mask March:<br /><br /><br />--- Quote ---Death to chans and channers. They spell like shit too.<br /><br />Freedom is the root of crookedness. Freedom is how the world got into messes.<br /><br />There are no illusions, only delusions.<br /><br />Ideas belong to brains and records; kill the brains and records to kill the ideas.<br /><br />Antihumanitarian cancer? The "they" you speak of is other humans, humans. In any wrong, there are two elements: the victor and the victim. Humanity itself is the problem:<br /><br />The War on Science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1XX-ngJcc&lc=z13zsngijlb5czshl04civcq2ou5wjm4wzg0k<br />Start world civil war.<br />Overthrow commonwealth.<br />Outlaw marriage.<br />Heavily tax breeders.<br />Execute sub-115-IQ 84% of the world.<br />Put research on insenility, immortality, and transgenics.<br /><br />The scientific method applied to social concern? That is teknocraty and eýghenics.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eugenics_Review<br /><br />The government represents the population; you cannot improve one without the other; you cannot improve some birth defects to decents. The world must die. Retards [as defined by the above IQ] must be killed to lessen dissent. The survivents shall be more equal.<br /><br />http://google.com/search?q=police+IQ<br />http://google.com/search?q=IQ+occupation<br />http://google.com/search?q=%22The+Criminal%22+%22Havelock+Ellis%22+Religion<br />http://google.com/search?q=religiosity+education<br />http://google.com/search?q=atheists+prison<br /><br />Ye want children who grow old? Then ye are breeders who enable death and decay. As soon as your kind are outlawed the world can become utopia or paradise.<br />--- End quote ---<br />
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			How do you spot the vegan at a party?<br />Don't worry, they'll let you know. 
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lebensraum on October 27, 2015, 03:48:20 PM ---How do you spot the vegan at a party?<br />Don't worry, they'll let you know.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lebensraum on October 27, 2015, 03:48:20 PM ---How do you spot the vegan at a party?<br />Don't worry, they'll let you know.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br /><br />http://www.allreadable.com/0002HsV
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			<br />--- Quote from: Lebensraum on October 27, 2015, 03:48:20 PM ---How do you spot the vegan at a party?<br />Don't worry, they'll let you know.<br /><br />--- End quote ---<br />
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